Maserati 4200 / GranSport: F.A.Q.
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- I. Introduction
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- This is a work in progress oriented towards a U.S. audience. Email corrections and suggestions to user "combi" at maseratilife.com.
- Most of the information in this FAQ was sourced from user posts to the forums at http://maseratilife.com (with permission from the forum owner). Nothing here has been fact checked, so take it all with a giant grain of salt. No warranty of any kind is provided should you follow any advice offered here. However, I do try to provide sources and to fairly represent opposing opinions where they occur.
- Version 0.41. Updated July 19, 2013
- Version History
- 0.41 Updates on exhaust systems [July 19th, 2013]
- 0.40 Numerous updates. [July 15th, 2013]
- 0.39 Broke-out the DIY Pre Purchase Inspection list into a separate Checkvist document [Dec 20th, 2012]
- 0.38 Added a few popular tire recommendations [Dec 18th, 2012]
- 0.37 Added exhuast diagram and photos [Nov 29th, 2012]
- 0.36 Removed survey, general editing [Feb 25th, 2012]
- 0.35 Added review from Evo magazine. [Feb 17th, 2012]
- 0.34 Added link to photos of 3200 in various colors and a comment on upgrading a 4200 to outperform a stock GranSport. [Aug 24th, 2011]
- 0.33 Added section on car shipping services. [Feb 17th, 2011]
- 0.32 Updated parts suppliers [Oct 4th, 2010]
- 0.31 Added info on power steering fluid replacement, link to Workshop manual. [Sept 22 2010]
- 0.30 Introductory wording changes. [Sept 20 2010]
- 0.29 Added link to DabbleDB Survey, "Maserati Mechanics & Resellers" Google Map. Added more aftermarket mods, reworked language and added links regarding clutch wear. [Aug 9 2010]
- 0.28 Expanded "DIY Repair Instruction" section with links to change Air Filter and Oil. Added link to 05 Maserati Coupe manual in "References". [Aug 5 2010]
- 0.27: Broke out "DIY Repair Instructions." Added maintenance schedule reference. Other minor revisions. [Aug 3rd 2010]
- 0.26: Info on boomerang lights, new diagnostic code added, links to interior color threads. [Aug 2nd 2010]
- 0.25: Organized into narrower hierarchy [July 30 2010]
- 0.24: Updated info on valve clatter and problems shifting into first on F1s. [July 29 2010]
- 0.23: Additions to glossary [July 26 2010]
- 0.22: Paint colors added. Minor revisions. [July 25 2010]
- 0.21: Added info about incar amenities and cowl shake problem, added new debate topic. [July 23 2010]
- 0.20: Clarified Price Model [July 22 2010]
- 0.19: Added instructions on how to shift Cambiocorsa F1 transmission.
- 0.18: Added some diagnostic codes.
- 0.17: Began "Vendors", "Shops/Mechanics" and "Dealers" sections
- 0.16: Updated "Repair & Maintenance" section with more details and references to particular repair issues. Additions to Glossary and organizing Modifications section by category.
- 0.15: Updated Common Repair and Maintenance Issues: Added edmunds.com links to "Maintenance, Recall & Tech Support Bulletins" for each model and year, and some links to Service Campaign PDFs on maseratilife.com. Added more modifications and alphabetized them.
- Other Maserati Checkvist documents:
- II. FAQ for '02-'06 Maserati 4200 Coupé/Spyder (GT, Cambiocorsa) & GranSport.
- For an introduction, See Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_Coupe
- What you should know about purchasing one used
- A PrePurchase Inspectino (PPI) by a reputable Maserati mechanic is essential.
- Pay more up front for a well maintained and documented specimen to save money on repairs later. (Records of regular oil changes, services, and preventive maintenance can make the difference between a lemon and a good deal.)
- On a well-maintained vehicle, expect to spend upwards of $3000k/year on maintenance if the car is regularly driven. This includes the cost of tires and the amortized cost of the clutch, but excludes the cost of repairs.
- YMMV. This is an exotic; the purchase price is just the beginning. If you do everything right, you may get lucky with yours, or you may not, or be somewhere in between.
- Be aware of the difference between the three major models: GT, Cambiocorsa, and GranSport. Each is available as a Spyder or hardtop.
- See "Model Overview" and "Debates" below.
- Note that GTs (manual transmission, aka 6 speeds) are much less commonly available used than CC (F1, i.e., paddle shifting transmission). Some have said <5% of original 4200s were GTs. It may take awhile to find one that matches your criteria.
- Be aware of the various Editions.
- See Editions Overview below, and Wikipedia link at top.
- Be aware of the caveats of the in-car amenities.
- The stock stereo system doesn't sound very good to some, and it's difficult to upgrade it (except in GranSports). The speaker cones are made out of paper (in models without the Auditorium 200 upgrade).
- See upgrade thread: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223
- Apple iPod support can be added aftermarket to cars that have the OEM trunk-mounted CD changer. See Dension Icelink. [note: this upgrade option appears to no longer be supported.]
- In GranSports, the headunit is an easily swappable DIN unit: a rebadged Becker Online Pro, labeled on the unit as a Becker Infotainment System BE7801. [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2743]
- Source articles of people disliking OEM sound system: [ Sources http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7273, [http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1210 ]
- The GPS is a relic from another time. It's a DVD based system, the graphics are poor, and it isn't close to the functionality offered by modern systems.
- The "GSM Phone Kit" system (which accepts a SIM card) isn't compatible with the GSM mobile phone systems in the United States. (Although one person claims success with T-Mobile).
- The electronic and ergonomics can be quirky.
- Read this collection of notes for new owners: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?p=81742
- How to buy one used
- Where to Find one
- Best: Buy from a user on http://maseratilife.com. Search forums for "for sale" or "FS" threads
- Search many craigslist sites at once with autotempest.com or craiglook.com. Search classifieds via autotrader.com, cars.com, aol.com, or yahoo.com. Search ebay.
- Search via Maserati's preowned site: http://www.maseratipreowned.com/locator.php
- Search via dupontregistry.com or http://globalautosports.com/
- Search on auction sites such as http://copart.com
- Ask the right questions [my introductory list below]
- Of course: Year/Model/Mileage
Options:
Does it have the Skyhook active suspension?
Any other options packages? (Vintage pack, LE, etc)
Condition:
Are there any dings, scratches or wear in the interior, even if minor?
Any rust?
Was it always garaged?
Would you agree to an independent Pre Purchase Inspection (PPI) at a Maserati dealer or independent mechanic?
History:
How many owners has it had ?
Do you have complete service records, and can you tell me who the service was done by?
Can you tell me what major services its had, and how frequently it got oil changed?
Any idea of the clutch life left?
- Modifications?
- Warranty?
- What's the right price?
- Be aware that Maseratis depreciate fast, like many high end brands, and perhaps even more so because Maseratis have a high cost for parts and service.
- Why dealer pricing of used Maseratis is $10-15k over private party [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=89344&postcount=4 ]
- The retail price a Maserati dealer charges for a used vehicle is ultimately based on prices for Maseratis going at auction houses, e.g. Manheim.
- The dealers themselves are charged shop rate by their own service departments to bring the cars up to standard; a cost that might add $6k or more.
- To this cost they add at least a $4k margin (but usually more). This may seem high, but the business model is such that they since their volume is low, they must have higher margins than a dealer of a commodity brand. This both explains why dealer prices offer lower prices (since they compare to auction prices), and also why their prices run high: $10k-$15k or more than private party.
- Ballpark a fair price using a Price Model
- Check "asking price model" for a rough guideline. These use a linear regression to correlate asking prices with miles and model year.
- http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/Price-c2658-2004-Coupe.html
- http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/coupe-spyder-gs/16119-new-price-model.html
- This is a linear regression model which models an asking price based on a model's miles, year and transmission alone.
- The model was built using 55 coupes (not including GSes) publicly listed for sale on March 31st, 2012.
- Given the many other factors that go into valuing a Maserati beyond miles, year and transmission, the small sample set of 55 cars, and the variations in human reasoning, it's to be expected that this mathematical model is a very rough one.
- With these caveats in mind, if you calculate a modeled price for a given car, you should adjust that price yourself based upon how much you value that particular vehicle. This may include the car's condition, the rarity of the edition, the desirability of the color to you, the vehicle history (number of owners, service records, AutoCheck/Carfax record), and whatever else is important to you.
- The price model, in short, only serves as a very rough guideline, but it may help you quickly separate the wheat from the chaff.
- Here's mine from 2012: http://combiconsulting.com/maz/mazpricemodel.php
- Get the VIN, and ask a (friendly) Maserati Dealer for service records [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5515&highlight=campaign].
- If Autocheck.com or carfax.com reveals it was at auction, use the VIN to compare the seller's facts with the auction listing.
- You can check Copart using their VIN search function, but you need to register (it's free).
- Do your own Pre Purchase Inspection: Maserati 4200 / GranSport "DIY Pre-Purchase Inspection List"
- Before buying, Get a Prepurchase Inspection (PPI)
- Consider using escrow.com for purchasing across country.
- About the Models
- Model Overview
- Spyders vs Coupes
- Spyders do not have the back bucket seats, having an electric top in their place.
- Spyders have a shorter wheelbase than the coupes.
- '02s Spyders are known for exhibiting more cowl shake on rough roads than '02 Coupes and later edition Spyders.
- 4200 Coupé/Spyder GT
- This comparatively rare model differs from its much more common Cambiocorsa brethern in that it has a standard six-speed manual transmission, i.e., a stick shift.
- Estimates are that about 5% of Coupés sold were GTs
- Pros of GT compared to Cambiocorsa:
- Debatably more reliable because isn't prone to the F1 pump failure suffered by some CCs and GranSports (Note that there is a newer, more reliable F1 pump avaiable).
- Some claim longer clutch lifetimes.
- Cons of GT compared to Cambiocorsa:
- Slower shifting, slower still compared to faster shifting F1 transmission in GranSport
- The manual transmission is only available on the GT model; that is, it's not an option on the GranSport.
- Arguably less convenient, since there's no automatic mode (unlike the CC), so it always requires you to shift.
- 4200 Coupé/Spyder Cambiocorsa, aka "CC"
- Maserati's Description & Specs: http://www.maserati.com/maserati/en/en/index/models/heritage/Gran-Turismo/m-coupe-cambiocorsa.html
- Transmission: An electrohydraulic manual that uses a Formula One-type gearbox. ("Paddle-shift" aka "F1 transmission")
- Note: at some point, the F1 pumps may have been replaced with an improved model from Alfa Romeo, but it's not known which model year this happened. One forum user reported he expected his 05 pump to fail, so perhaps '06.
- Pros of CC over GT:
- Faster shifting than the GT. Shift maps are even faster on the GranSport.
- Perhaps easier to drive -- no clutchwork needed.
- More flexible -- can choose to shift, or not shift (in "Automatic" mode).
- Cons of CC:
- more complex. also see pros of GT
- GranSport "GS" (available '04 on as a Spyder or hardtop)
- Maserati's Description & Specs: http://www.maserati.com/maserati/en/en/index/models/heritage/Gran-Turismo/m-gransport.html
- From Supercars.net: http://www.supercars.net/cars/2915.html
- Overall, more performance oriented than 4200. Originally was priced at GBP10k premium in the UK over the 4200. (http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8701)
- Late models are rare: Only 500 2006 GSs were imported to the US
- Drivetrain
- "Maximum power delivery had been increased thanks to special developments intended to reduce internal friction, along with work on the intake manifolds and valve seats, together with an electronically controlled pneumatic valve system." [source: maserati.com, see above]
- "The engine...is "blueprinted"...built with selected components to finer tolerances" [Car and Driver, http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/04q4/maserati_gransport-first_drive_review]
- "The result is an 11-hp increase, to 396, although with rather different power and torque curves than the 394-hp version of the same engine in the Maserati Quattroporte sedan. " [Car and Driver]
- Engine changes result in 10hp gain and possible change in torque curve. [source: wikipedia]
- Some say X-Pipe mod to 4200 results in similar 10hp gain.
- All GSes uses the Cambiocorsa transmission, but software revised to offer 35% quicker shifts in Sport mode, as well as heel-and-toe downshifts (throttle blip upon downshifting while braking) [source: maserati.com]
- Transmission may have some improved components [source: maseratiblu at maseratilife]
- The GS transmission has a different gear ratio in 6th gear that raises the top speed from 177mph to 180mph. [source: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19539&postcount=8]
- Suspension
- Skyhook (active suspension) comes standard, and suspension was stiffened [source: maserati.com]
- Ride height lowered 10mm results in lower center of gravity [source: maserati.com]
- Handling
- Trofeo-style 19" ball-polished wheels set at smaller slip angle [source: maserati.com]
- Sharper steering [source: maseratiblu on maseratilife]
- Exhaust
- "A new sports exhaust (instantly recognisable thanks to its twin chrome tailpipes) was designed to provide a deep, full-bodied rumble." [source: maserati.com]
- Has valve in exhaust which opens on acceleration and start for throatier sound. (Some modify their 4200s with Tubi or valved Larini exhausts for a similar effect.)
- Cosmetic/Aesthetic/Lightening/Aerodynamic
- Interior:
- See: http://maseratilife.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69&d=1099948055
- More carbon fibre, different "sporty" bucket seats, "start" button", Infotainment unit (OEM Becker Online Pro) in place of LCD screen.
- The center console is noticeably different. For photos, see: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414.
- technical cloth dash (leather was an option)
- Exterior:
- Rear spoiler and side sills.
- Also has revised bumpers with lower spoilers (In so-called facelifted '05-on 4200s as well?)
- "The fruit of much testing in the wind tunnel, the add-ons improved the Cd value and achieved a balanced division of vertical loads (Cz) between front and rear axles. This resulted in an almost total absence of oversteer and improved front-wheel drivability and precision bestowed the GranSport with exceptionally balanced dynamic handling qualities." [source: maserati.com]
- Trofeo
- Racing edition. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_Coupe#Trofeo
- Model Year Changes
- What Stayed the same/ or evolved at uncertain points?
- "No engine changes from 2002-2005" [source?]
- "No suspension hardware changes" [source?]
- At least one service bulletin for a transmission software upgrade (which would be flashed onto TCU). There's some talk that this was a bad upgrade performed which may have been nonreversible. Edgar Rodriguez says that while '02 and '03 models have different software versions from each other, that the '04-'06 have better software that allows the setting of a KISS point.
- Source: Comment made regarding clutch replacment by eddie: "the software changes any Coupe (GS, Spyder). From 02-03 are basically same lay out but different sw versions, and 04-06 are better Software lay out and allow for a kiss point." http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9296
- "Cambiocorsa software was updated several times over the years"
- '02
- The first model year. Car available as a CC, GT, and in Coupé or Spyder versions. No special editions available.
- Some report this is a more problematic model year, exhibiting more cowl shake and transmission problems in particular. See '03 model changes below.
- '03+
- Both the GT and CC get quicker steering, stiffer anti-roll bars, stickier tires and new software programming for the Skyhook active suspension system. The old steering rack slid 52 mm for each turn of the steering wheel, but the new one moves 60 mm, so steering is quicker than before.
- Also new is the Maserati Stability Program, co-developed with Bosch, which gives the car stability control. The MSP works along with the “Skyhook” active suspension system and anti-lock brakes to tolerate and compensate for all manners of foolishness with the car, while keeping it pointed straight and providing a comfortable ride.
- The Cambiocorsa computer-shifted manual transmission is upgraded so that it can now bang off shifts in as little as 150 milliseconds, compared with a full half-second before.
- The clutch was upgraded from a single tang unit to a double tang unit. This change may have been performed to many '02s when taken in for service.
- The Spyder enjoys a 20 percent stiffer chassis than before, courtesy of “structural foam” (glue) in critical areas, along with some old-fashioned gussets and braces in the door sills that reduce cowl shake to a more tolerable level.
- "Maserati's list of significant changes for the '03 Spyder and Coupe is short but focused. It includes new software for the Cambiocorsa transmission that prioritises engine torque rather than revs as a parameter, new software and dampers for the adaptive damping system, an all-new stability program called MSP, a new steering box with more direct gearing, larger anti-roll bars, grippier tyres and a bodyshell 20 per cent stiffer in torsion for the Spyder." [ source: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/35794/maserati_4200.html ]
- '04+
- First year of the GranSport.
- Maserati Stability Control "MSP" became standard?
- The "Vintage Package" became a factory option.
- On CambioCorsas and GranSports: "One recent improvement was the addition of a first gear/Drive function to the Reverse gear toggle switch on the console, which makes parking and Y-turns a lot easier." source: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0406_2004_maserati_spyder_vintage/index.html#ixzz0u46ELKHo
- On Cambiocorsa: The car received a subtle restyle in July 2004, the front grille, now taller with four horizontal slats was the main change. [source: maserati.com]
- Cupholder added
- '05+ "facelifted coupe" (looks more like GranSport)
- [source: user "m128ltwt" on maseratilfie.com ]
- mechanical
- · Revised CambioCorsa shift pattern logic for quicker gear changes and less clutch wear;
- · Vehicle Dynamic Stability Control (rather than merely traction control);
- cosmetic
- · Revised front and rear bumpers (fascias) that are the same as the "Grand Sport" model
- · Revised center console panels, which eliminate paint chipping, and revised switchgear to eliminate the sticky, peeling paint;
- · Revised badging to the exterior, including tridents on the rear sail panels and "V8" logo on the front fenders. [Note: my '04 has the tridents and the v8 logo. --editor]
- '06
- Possible refinements to transmission and/or its software in GranSport (and CC as well?)? Others say no changes between 05 and 06. Source for changes: http://www.luxury4play.com/maserati/43497-i-need-your-thoughts-maserati-gransport-4.html and Briik on maseratilife.com
- Two special editions made available: MC Victory, Contemporary Classic
- Only 500 GSs imported to US in 06
- Maserati N. America imported quite a few Coupe GTs. We call these "strippers" because the cars are completely stock - no options whatsoever. (Although a no optioned Maser is still nicely equipped). These strippers are usually black on black.
[source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=40623&postcount=7]
- Editions Overview
- Limited Edition (LE) available for all 3 models
- For 06 differences in base and LE models: http://www.cars.com/go/compare/trimCompare.jsp?acodes=USB60MSC041B0,USB60MSC041A0,USB60MSC021A0,USB60MSC021B0
- In short, LE has more options standard, including but perhaps not limited to:
- Sport suspension tuning w gas pressurized shocks
- Better sound system (amplifier, trunk cd changer, 10 speakers vs 8)
- HID low beams
- heated headrests
- 2003-on "Vintage" Package
- The Vintage package has various levels of personalization. The first one, focused on external elements, provides for:
+ Chromed front grill
+ Front Maserati Trident with hand-painted red accents
+ Chromed side fender vents
+ Chromed door handles
+ Wheels with special "Ball polished" treatment enhancing the mechanical characteristics while donating a brilliant effect
+ Silver colored brake calipers
+ To make the personalization of the exterior of the Spyder complete, with the Vintage package it is possible to add chromed rearview mirrors and chromed roll bars.
The personalization kit can be further enriched by internal elements, available as individual options:
Aluminum racing pedals complete with vintage-style Maserati trident
Central console, door trims and paddle shift levers finished in aluminum
Gauge cluster finished in traditional 1950s Maserati racing light blue with style digits
The Vintage personalization package will be available to customers starting from October. [source: http://www.netcarshow.com/maserati/2003-spyder_vintage_package/]
- 2004 Spyder 90th anniversary (only 90 units produced)
- http://www.maserati.com/maserati/en/en/index/models/heritage/Gran-Turismo/m-spyder-90th-anniversary.html
- 2006 Grand Sport Contemporary Classic
- see: http://www.maserati.com/maserati/en/en/index/models/heritage/Gran-Turismo/m-gransport-contemporaryclassic.html
- 2006 GranSport MC Victory (only 180 units produced)
- Build on GS, very rare (only 180 made, ~50 imported to US, all numbered)
- Have $10k seats, among other fancy aesthetic bits
- see: http://www.maserati.com/maserati/en/en/index/models/heritage/Gran-Turismo/m-gransport-mc-victory.html
- Production Numbers
- http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8286&highlight=produced
- Maserati Paint Colors and Interior Colors
- 06 color samples: http://www.carsdirect.com/maserati/coupe/colors
- complete list of maserati colors from maseratilife.com
- Acquamarina
Anniversary Blue
Arancion
Argenta Luna
Azzurro Argentina
Bianco Eldorado
Bianco Fuji
Black
Blu Malago
Blu Mediterraneo
Blu Nettuno
Blu Oceano
Blu Sebring
Blue
Bordeaux Pontevecchio
Bronzo Montecarlo
Giallo Granturismo
Grigio Alfieri
Grigio Granito
Grigio Nuvalari
Grigio Palladio
Grigio Silverstone
Grigio Touring
Nero
Nero Carbonio
Nero Pastello
Pozzi Blue
Quarzo Dolomite
Red
Rosso
Rosso Bologna
Rosso Mondiale
Silver
Unknown
Verde Goodwood
Victory Blue
White
Yellow
- See a series of threads on GranSport external and interior photos. Beginning with thread 261 (http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261 ) ending at thread 279 (http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279)
- Photos of a variety of 3200 Maseratis in different colors: http://www.maserati-alfieri.co.uk/alfieri06llllll.htm
- Notable Individual Options
- Skyhook Active Suspension (standard on CC and GS, optional on GT)
- Skyhook system provides continuous automatic damping adjustment. [source:maserati.com]
- Repair & Maintenance
- Maintenance
- Maintenance Schedule:
- See pages 16&17 here: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7Iohl6M5eWzY2NlZGVjZTYtMzM0Zi00N2I5LWE4OWYtZDU3OTQ2ODFlMDI3&sort=name&layout=list&num=50
- Also a PDF in this post: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/coupe-spyder-gs/15520-whats-40-000-mile.html#post142765
- Perform annual services. Some recommend oil changes as frequently as every 3k-3.5k miles, or when the valves begin to clatter at idle.
- Recharge the A/C yearly. [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-5710.html]
- Swap out the F1 Pump relay on a yearly basis to avoid a failure of the F1 Pump, especially the earlier models which draw more current.
- Tires
- There are many tires that are recommended only once or twice on the forums, from vendors such as: Bridgestone, Hankook, Pirelli, Yokohama, and Dunlop. But the three tire models listed below --all of which are all-season road tires-- come more frequently recommended. (Track and snow tires are not considered here... yet)
- Michelin Super Sports are highly regarded performance-oriented all-season road tires. (Not to be confused with the Pilot Sport 2)
- The OEM Pilot Sport tire was superseded by the Michelin's Pilot Sport 2. But these don't grip or wear as well as the newer Super Sports, yet they're also more expensive.
- Note that according to one poster, Super Sports are best not mixed and matched with the OEM Pilot Sports, while the Pilot Sport 2s are a good match. [source: from: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/coupe-spyder-gs/17073-new-tires-kind-get.html]
- [sources: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/coupe-spyder-gs/12922-time-new-tires.html#post117279 ]
- Vredestein UltraC Sessantas are "aggressive looking" and are a good value all-season tire, but not as performance oriented as Super Sports. These are the default choice Formula Dynamics uses to shod their wheels, and are reputedly designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro (the designer of the exterior of the pre-facelifted Maserati Coupe).
- Youtube video on Sessantas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-X9c-qHuINE
- [sources: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/coupe-spyder-gs/12064-new-tires.html]
- Continental ExtremeContact DW - softer than OEM tires, cornering "squishier."
- [sources: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/coupe-spyder-gs/13165-conti-dws-rubbing.html, http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/coupe-spyder-gs/12922-time-new-tires.html#post116971 ]
- Known Repair/Failure Issues
- Frequent Clutch Replacement
- The expense and frequency of clutch replacement are recurring topics on the forum. Commonly quoted clutch lifetime on the forum seems to be about 20-25,000 miles, but there's a high variation, and (to some) it may be worth remembering that the vast majority of 4200s sold had F1 transmissions. It's also important to note there's only a very loose correspondence between miles driven and clutchwear, since so much depends on the driver (do they ride the clutch, or perform freqent burnouts?) and overall use patterns (city vs highway miles, stop and go traffic, racing, and so forth). Some F1 cars had poor programming or problematic Clutch Position Sensors which can exacerbate clutch wear. The issue is perhaps enhanced in importance because of expense of the replacement job, which can run to $3.5k-$10k, depending on the shop and related work, such as: replacement of flywheel, bearings (thrust, pilot and bellhousing), and the F1 pump on F1 transmission cars. While there is no concensus on whether clutch lifetime is significantly different between the manual (GT) or F1 transmissions, Jeff of Formula Dynamics says the F1 transmissions aren't as easy to work on, and ECSofVirginia has remarked that the Marelli F1 system as used in numerous marques exhibit short clutch lives for a number of (apparently correctable) reasons. See below.
- For F1 cars, same say to drive in "sport" mode rather than "auto" mode, while others disagree. Avoid uphill reverses and stop and go traffic.
- Formula Dynamic's DBW EM is said to extend clutch life.
- Opinion of Jeff of Formula Dynamics
- regarding replacement
- 20-25K is in the danger zone. Some last longer, some less but you need to start thinking about a replacement as a real possibility in the near future.
Typical dealer costs for clutch replacement will run : $4,500 to $5,500 or so
Typical independant costs for clutch replacement will run: $3,500 or so
The "wear" indicator, isn't worth much. I wouldn't use it as a worthwhile reference, honestly.
If the cars F1 sensor / throwout / pilot bearing hasn't been replaced yet... I would consider this as well as being sure that the e-brake is working correctly (replacing the cable is so much easier when the clutch is out). These are items that can be addressed at the same time as a clutch replacement.
The throwout / pilot bearings have been known to fail. Maserati has issues a capable replacement but it would only have been replaced under warranty if it actually failed, not just because they are known to fail prematurely. Once replaced, they seem to hold up well.
Best Regards,
-- Jeff
- [ http://maseratilife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=91475&postcount=10 ]
- regarding wear on clutch going in reverse
- ...The (F1?) reverse gear never fully engages. Further, the clutch engagement itself isn't the best from a standing start, it slips quite a bit with the factory programming.
To make things worse, it's a heavy car with a clutch that probably isn't really the *best* setup for cars of this weight. They are better suited to the Ferrari F360 for example.
Just try to be careful with the Maserati in reverse, your clutch and wallet will thank you.
Jeff, Formula Dynamics [source: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90688#post90688
- Comments by ECSofVirginia
- On a 11k car with a wasted clutch, you'll probably want to replace the clutch position sensor [CPS -ed] as well as the clutch assembly.
The CPS is just as guilty as driver error in thoroughly toasted clutch situations. Be sure your mechanics takes a good look at the readings your current sensor is putting out to determine if it was part of the problem.
Veloce, from what I've seen the issues aren't as much model specific. The Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini and Aston Martin all use the same Marelli F1 system with slight variations. The programming in the early cars, bad clutch position sensors and uneducated drivers are the primary factors in CC clutch wear. [source: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=92550&postcount=9]
- F1 Pump Failure (on CCs and GranSports only)
- Pump shorts due to bad relay, or old pump design drawing too much current, or failing bushings. Expensive repair at dealer. Perhaps prevented or delayed by yearly replacement of pump relay. There is a newer pump design that draws less power. (Some have reported success swapping out the pump themselves, while others state these people didn't follow shop procedures and got lucky.)
- Troubleshooting order when the "cambio" light comes on: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10994
- see: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8320
- see: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?p=78580
- see: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3145
- Engine Failure due to Hydrolock from Rain Splash [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9710]
- Water sucked into air intake cause rod failure and engine rebuild: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8881
- Lesson: avoid puddles.
- Melting/Damaged Catalytic Converters
- Can be damaged by water (perhaps covered under 8 year warranty), or by scraping (the first cat is low to the ground) [http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5216]
- Engine Failure & Leaks
- Discussion of Common Engine Leaks, Failures other Issues: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-5710.html
- Engine Failure due to Precats breaking up
- Perhaps unique issue with precats failing. Listen for valve train noise and rotten egg smell persisting after warmup. See: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9392
- Torque Tube problems
- Some report an issue with the car vibrating past warm up, or at certain RPMs.
- Vibration issue: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1098
- Jaa references an "exploding" or "cracking" torque tube issue common to Maseratis and Ferraris, that may occur at any time in the car's ownership. A very expensive out-of-warranty repair. [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9710 and a PM from jaa]
- Valve clatter at idle/stoplights
- May indicate a sign of dirty oil (change the oil), or a clogged oil pickup pump.
- [source: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10466 ]
- "Cowl" Shake
- Some say this is a design issue with '02-'04 models during warm up or on rough roads. There seem to be more complaints in Spyders ('02s in particular). Others have suggested worn engine mounts, a Torque Tube problem (see that section), a bent wheel, oversized tires, lowering springs, or a combination of these as potential exacerbating factors. The issue may be mitigated by addressing any of these areas.
- Brake squeal
- It appears that brakes commonly squeal before they're warmed up. If the sound persist even after brakes are warm, could be a sign of warn or glazed pads or detritus on rotors. If you've changed your pads recently, it may take a while for the pads to mate to the new rotor, too. Some report less squealing with FD brake pads; a relatively easy DIY fix.
- http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6057
- Failing Skyhook due to ride height lowering [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9710]
- This is apparently only an issue if ride height is lowered by reducing preload on the OEM shocks, which results in a softer ride that cause the Skyhook system to overcompensate and increase damping. This is not an issue with using FD springs, which can also lower the car 1 to 2 inches. See: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=30005&postcount=25
- Car goes into "Limp" mode
- Jeff of Formula Dynamics: "Could be many things. These symptoms are also common for : bad catalytic converters, bad potentiometers, failed MSP, fouled / failed MAF sensor or spark plugs, even bad gas. It certainly could also be due to a problem in the DBW or in the installation."
- [source: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10364&page=2]
- Sticky or Melting interior fascia and trim
- You can get the part replaced, but some buttons and trim pieces aren't sold individually, requiring purchase of the entire larger part. This can be very expensive out of warranty.
- You can have them refinished by: http://stickynomore.com/
- You can try refinishing them yourself. See: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95794&postcount=21
- [ source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10428&highlight=sticky ]
- Failure to engage in 1st gear in F1 transmission cars
- Your foot must be on the brake to engage 1st gear. If it is, could be a faulty brake switch, a known problem issue.
- [source: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10477 ]
- OEM Battery Life
- Some recommend to replace the OEM FIAAM battery after about three years.
- Erratic oil pressure
- Could be due to a bad oil pressure sender or poor connection. See: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10893
- Spyder's convertible top mechanism and hydraulics failing [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9710]
- DIY Repair Instructions
- Oil Change
- Formula Dynamics sells an oil change kit.
- http://www.universalautosports.com/kent/4200DIYoilchange.pdf
- Instructions: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/coupe-spyder-gs/20722-oil-change-procedure-reposting.html#post191658
- Air Filter
- https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=c8ab7a7b-4043-4452-995b-917b7001eba8
- Brake Pad Replacement
- http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/modern-maserati/7298-diy-brake-pad-instructions.html
- Center Console Radio and Control Removal
- by Andrew224: https://acrobat.com/#d=Yp3VBJTpOU3ajsVOcBr5xA
- How to Change the Clutch
- by Eddie Rodriguez: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7539&highlight=KISS
- oil change, spring install, and more, for GranSport (some instructions applicable to 4200)
- https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7Iohl6M5eWzODU1MzdmOWEtYTE3My00Y2EzLWI2OWMtNGQ0NWE3NTFlODhk&hl=en
- Cleaning Headlight Lenses
- FastFreddy recommends http://www.myheadlight.com/ See: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10916
- Spyder top replacement instructions, and manual top operation
- http://s161134073.onlinehome.us/Maserati/SpyderRoofManual.pdf [source: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11001 ]
- Clean oil pressure sender contacts
- http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10893
- "Maintenance, Recalls, and Tech Support Bulletins" from edmunds.com
- GT
- 2002: http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100075048&zip=85006
- 2003: http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100144004&zip=85006
- 2004: http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100369913&zip=85006
- 2005 (none): http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100508947&zip=85006
- 2006 (none): http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100697260&zip=85006
- Cambiocorsa
- 2002: http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100075047&zip=85006
- 2003: http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100144003&zip=85006
- 2004: http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100369912&zip=85006
- 2005 (none): http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100508946&zip=85006
- 2006 (none): http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100697259&zip=85006
- GranSport (Base)
- 2005 (none): http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100509257&zip=85006
- 2006 (none): http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100697258&zip=85006
- GranSport (LE)
- 2006 (none): http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100696804&zip=85006
- GranSport Convertible
- 2006 (none): http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.html?type=recall&styleId=100697257&zip=85006
- Service Campaigns (very incomplete list)
- (2002) Campaign 90 "ecu software update" http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189&highlight=campaign
- (2002?) Campaign 95 or 98. "reflash the TCU." Most shops no longer do unless requested. There were a lot of complaints about negative effects on performance/driveability associated with this software upgrade and apparently it's non reversible. [source?]
- (2002) Campaign 99 "stereo improvement and reception" http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207&highlight=campaign
- (2005) Campaign 153 "replace instrument cluster and install felt pad." http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8373&highlight=campaign
- 200703 Reduction of Clutch Noise (pdf), F1 trans only http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5677&d=1263169489
- 200722 Auxillary Belt Noise (pdf), all 4200s ("alternator pulley alignment") http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5680&d=1263169674
- Maintenance & Repair Threads
- http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10279&highlight=maintenance
- http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10114&highlight=maintenance
- http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10048&highlight=maintenance
- http://www.luxury4play.com/maserati/43497-i-need-your-thoughts-maserati-gransport.html
- Diagnostic Codes [source: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10437]
- [Note that Formula Dynamics sells a code reader for $120. --ed]
- P0071 - Ambient Air Temperature Sensor Range/Performance
Try replacing the sensor
- P0152 - Oxygen Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank 2, Sensor 1)
Try Checking O2 Sensors, O2 Sensor wiring / connections, MAF Sensor
- p0300, 0302-0308 - Cylinder misfires. See: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=777
- P0421 (Warm Up Catalyst Efficiency Bellow Threshold (Bank 1)
- You have a rich fuel mixture and/or bad cat. O2 sensors rarely fail, when they do it's generally the "heater circuit" which fails. The O2 sensor is giving proper information and woing it's job, replacing it will be a waste of time and money.
I've watched many pro mechanics waste time chasing O2's for this code. The most likely culprits are: Vacuum leak, Mass Air Flow Sensor or Catalytic. If the car is running abnormayll rich (due to the MAF/Vac leak) the O'2 won't be able to compensate and will interpret it as a catalytic issue.
- Or: - The CAT is no longer functioning properly
- An oxygen sensor is not reading (functioning) properly
- A spark plug is bad [source:
- http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10553]
- P0441 - Evaporative Emission Control System Incorrect Purge Flow
Try checking if the gas cap is loose, EVAP vacuum switch, charcoal canister, purge valve, etc
- P0491 - Secondary Air Injection System (Bank 1)
Try checking the manifold vacuum ports, secondary air injection system, tubes for leaks. Air pump, Check valves working? solenoids?
- P1602 - Internal ECU Memory Table Errors
I'd try to clear the other errors if possible before diving too far into this one.
- P1617 is a rare code that's usually triggered by multiple faults. Its not documented in the Maserati Code lists and is usually the type of code that the dealer would contact the factory technical support to find out more about. I believe it's essentially a code that is triggered when the factory ECU either has an internal fault or detects several problems that are fairly serious. Often the rough road sensor will trigger this as well. Unfortunately, the rough road signal can be triggered by a few other problems such as a stumbling engine or damaged motor mounts. This code may correct itself when other issues are addressed.
- Maserati Techinfo Bookstore (requires subscription to do more than view titles): http://www.maseratitechinfo.com/index.cfm?event=SearchModels
- Shops/Mechanics
- Arizona/SoCal
- "BuggatiTech" on maseratilife.com
- Eddie Rodriguez ("Victory12") - Ferrari-Maserati Trained and Certified Mechanic in SoCal - recommended on forum
- azzurrocorsamotorsports@yahoo.com, 562 219-9916
- evolution motor sports - http://www.evoms.com/
- Servizio Auto Technica, Andy Falbo, 480-836-7915 in Fountain Hills, AZ
- Parts
- Parts Suppliers (in rough order of least to most expensive)
- 1. DC Automotive is a salvage yard that often posts to the Maserati Life forums when a car comes in. There is a $100 minimum order for US orders (but free shipping), and a $200 minimum order for international orders.
- 2. Ricambi America is US based (and has a UK affiliate) and therefore offers domestic shipping rates stateside.
- 3. Eurospares is UK based. You'll be beholden to currency exchange rates and international shipping rates (and possibly import duties?)
- 4. Your local Maserati dealer!
- Trident Parts may be out of business; their website doesn't load on 7/13/2013.
- Parts Suppliers typically with small inventories
- Parts diagrams
- Trofeo
- http://www.granucci.net/maserati/catalogo%20carrozzeria.pdf
- http://www.granucci.net/DOWNLOAD/Trofeo/catalogo%20parti%20meccaniche.pdf
- [source: Maserati Blu on maseratilife.com: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=91292&postcount=1]
- Fluids
- Power Steering Fluid
- "The PS fluid spec'd for the 4200 Coupe is Dexron IId (not IIe). Dexron IId is no longer made, and some of the newer formulations (like dexron V) can cause damage to seals in cars requiring the earlier fluids. ...it appeared that IId was an extreme duty, high temperature ATF fluid... RedLine brand synthetic ATF (and also their PS fluid) explicitly stated they are a substitute for Dexron IId fluids and are what I used."
- [source: FlyinBrian on http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10958 ]
- F1 Hydraulic Fluid
- See: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9789
- Manuals
- Coupe/Spyder Workshop & Parts Manual ($29): http://www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/9122024-maserati-m138-coupe-spyder-workshop-parts
- Tips
- Manually open trunk
- If your battery is low and the trunk hatch won't open, use the key. To help it turn more easily, carefully press down on the back center of the trunk lid while turning the key.
- Predrive Check and Driving Recommendations
- Predrive Check
- Check tires for pressure or uneven wear.
- Check for oil leaks. The front timing cover, oil/water pump and cam covers are known problem points.
- If you check the oil, check while the engine is warmed up and running, or immediately after shutting it off.
- [source: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10507 ]
- During Warmup/Driving
- Note any peculiar smells:
- The smell of gas:
- ...in the engine compartment may indicate leaking fuel lines or injectors.
- ...in the trunk may mean a leaking fuel tank gasket.
- ...by fuel cap indicates leaking fuel cap!
- Note any odor emitted by the AC system, and a small drips of coolant (or a puddle!) underneath the car. This can indicate the water pump is leaking.
- A persistent rotten egg smell can indicate eminent precat failure which can cause catastrophic engine damage.
- Note any sounds:
- Tapping at idle at stop lights indicates need for oil change.
- Vibration while revving can be a torque tube issue.
- Driving Precautions
- Avoid deep puddles, especially at speed. The air intake is low to the ground (lower left front corner on CCs) and can intake water through the air filter, hydrolocking the engine, necessitating an engine rebuild. Damage may be covered under comprehensive insurance policy, but likely requires documented evidence of water damage.
- Avoid bottoming out on speed bumps, or driving over objects, especially in cars that have been lowered 1 or 2 inches. The primary catalytic converters are built into the headers and are the lowest point of the car, thus prone to tapping the ground and shattering inside. Replacement runs almost $8k for parts/labor, no aftermarket options. [see: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-5710.html]. [Note: some insurance policies consider hitting an obstruction such as large rock an "Act of God" and coverable. -ed]
- The GS is low to the ground; and any model can be lowered. Take driveways, curbs and speedbumps at an angle, and slowly, to avoid scraping the body of the car.
- Advice on the forum to lengthen clutch life includes: installing Formula Dynamic's DBWEM, limiting time in stop and go traffic, limiting use of reverse gear (especially uphill), and some say by driving in "sport" rather than "auto" mode in cars with F1 transmissions (though this is debated).
- How to Shift a F1 transmission [source: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10421&page=2]
- Starting:
- Keep foot on the brake, turn the key to start, engine cranks, engine starts.
- Put your foot on the brake, turn the key to on, pull both handles back, car goes into "N"
- Reversing:
- Keep foot on the brake, gently lift and pull the T-Handle back to put car into Reverse.
- Back up. (Avoid backing up hills; F1 Transmissions don't really fully engage into Reverse and it will burn your clutch.)
- Put your foot on the brake, and either pull both paddles back to go "N", or pull right handle back to go into 1st.
- Forward:
- From neutral (or reverse), pull the right paddle back, car goes into 1st.
- Now start going forward.
- When you get to the RPM you want, keep the accelerator pedal where it is and give a quick pull to the right paddle. Keep doing this until you want to slow down or just want to cruise in a certain gear.
- Slowing down and stopping:
- When coming to stop you have a choice, you can either:
- 1. Manually downshift via the left paddle shift lever (just keep your foot in the same position on the accelerator pedal, the computer blips the throttle for you, so there's no need to rev match).
- 2. If you don't want to downshift yourself, just hit the brakes and as the car slows, it will downshift and blip the throttle during the downshift for you.
- While stopped
- If you are stopped at a light for awhile you can optionally shift the car into neutral.
- Whether to shift into N or remain in 1st is your choice; either let the tranny be in neutral or let the throwout bearing do it's job. The clutch is fully disengaged while stopped --even in 1st-- so you are not wearing it out.
- Aftermarket Modifications and Products
- Example Upgrade Paths
- maseratisportgts' upgrade path: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9380
- If you want to do mods, it all depends on your budget, and what your final vision of how the car should end up at the end...
I started my mods due to the "squished" secondary cats I saw when my car was on the lift. This is when I started doing research to find out about my gransport and what options were available on the market to fix this problem.
I stumbled accross Formula Dynamics. I found a whole website, dedicated to mostly Maserati. This is a rarity for our even rarer cars.
I started with the Larini De-cats, which opened up the airflow on the exhaust.
Next, I got the DBW Module, which improves shift times and makes them instant and not delayed, this actually saves wear on the clutch, and engages gears quicker thereby improving performance with quicker shifts on the fly.
At the same time, I opted for the ECU, which controls air/fuel ratio and is tuned for maximum power in all conditions. This kicks in over 4500 rpms, when you are pushing it, otherwise it is dormant to save gas. Very nice. You definitely feel the kick when you go over 4500 rpm. Its worth it to me
Then I got the BMC air filter, which improves flow into the engine.
At that time, I also did the stainless brake lines, which made the pedal feel more firm and have more power when using the brakes. Also used the FD pads, which improved grip over OEM. Great upgrade.
And then, I realized with the extra power, the car was a little too bouncy for me. So I went for the sport springs and dropped an inch- what a difference! Felt much better! More confidence at speed greatly improved handling.
And it wasn't enough for me... I felt I could improve the handling even more..
So I went for the Sway bars, this tightened up the chassis even more, and I could feel zero squat in the twisties, it made a much flatter stance. Great!!
I also added the spacers at the same time, wider is better. 15mm in the front, 25 mm in the rear. The advantages for these are two fold. You get to fill in the wheel wells for that filled in look, it looks amazing. And now my stance is wider for a flatter stance. Totally worth it.
Thats what I had on for a while... Never was crazy about the brakes, to be honest. I had all these mods to make the car go faster, and I didn't do too much to improve the braking feel. So for a mid winter blues project, I did the big brake kit for the fronts. What a difference. No skipping, just bite and a smooth stop. Just what I wanted.
I also then put the Larini valved boxes on... Sounds amazing, like a race car. Was a bit much for me with the de-cats so I've had them taken off at the moment, but I love the sound, it is addictive. All from Formula Dynamics.
I also got Carbon fiber paddles from Valence to finish the interior look, Custom floor mats from West Wind European, Dead pedal from ultimate pedals,
Show and go front license plate mount from altec lansing (james bond)
- bluyork's upgrade path.
- The first mod should be the springs and brakes together. Pads and lines will not add significantly. Both of these will help to keep you out of situations you might inadvertently find yourself in based on the car's power, lack of handling ability in stock mode, and your exuberance.
Second mod should be the DBW.
Third should be sway bars, for reason related to #1 but not nearly as acute.
The exhaust mods are great, but I believe you'd want to cover the issues that help to drive better and increase confidence and situational awareness.
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- JPM gransport upgrades:
- https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7Iohl6M5eWzNjAwZmVkNjctM2E2MS00ZjA5LWIxNDItMTg3MTM0NWM3MTRl&sort=name&layout=list&num=50
- Mods by Category
- Air Filter
- 3200 style "boomerang" tail lights
- A very expensive modification, and very likely not D.O.T. legal. See: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9132
- Also: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1616&highlight=boomerang
- "The US DOT specifies a reflector section and a large backup light section the boomerangs don't have. Those are the things that make the North America cars look like they do." - BUZZ
- Brake Kit
- Formula Dynamics supplies a big brake kit.
- Battery
- Optima 34R Red Top from Summit Racing [http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2872]
- The correct Optima battery is the 34R Red Top. The "R" stands for reversed terminals to fit the cabling layout in the trunk of the Coupe. About $230! [source: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10267 ]
- Car Cover
- See http://www.autoanything.com/car-covers/ and http://www.covers4auto.com/
- Some remark that car covers can trap dust and flap around in the wind, damaging paint.
- DBW
- Formula Dynamics DBW EM (Drive By Wire Ehancement Module) Smooths out and quickens shifts, and prolongs clutch life.
- Install instructions for GranSport (PDF): http://maseratilife.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6904&d=1280800246
- ECU
- Formula Dynamic's ECU
- Eurocharge
- Eurotech ECU. See the FAQ reposted here: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=838
- EVOMSit
- Exhausts:
- Exhaust system diagrams
- Exhaust system diagram from Eurospares: http://www.eurospares.co.uk/userImages/028/Large/028_014.gif
- Exhaust system diagram from Ricambi: http://www.ricambiamerica.com/parts_catalogs.php?M=MA&P=&V=diag&I=3599
- Brands & Retailers
- Some brands for aftermarket exhaust components: Tubi / Larini / Kreissieg / Maranello / Bertocchi.
- Here's some video with sound: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10385
- Some retailers of aftermarket secondary cats:
- http://www.vibrantperformance.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1022_1063
- http://www.mandrelbendingsolutions.com/servlet/the-812/100,cpsi,-Cell,-Hi-dsh-Flow,-High,/Detail
- Also, Formula Dynamics.
- Example installs
- Repair & Replacement Reference
- Photos of primary cat removal and of primary & secondary 02 sensors: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/coupe-spyder-gs/20581-catalytic-converter.html#post190725
- Thread discussing repairing pre-cat failure. The cheapest (but illegal in states) repair is:
- 1. Gut the damaged precats (probably hard to find a shop to do this)
- 2. Replace the main (secondary) cats with an aftermarket cat (because it's cheaper than OEM). This secondary cat is very likely damaged by the pre-cat failure (and these secondary main are ceramic cats which fail at a high rate by themselves anyway). The cat can be checked via a boroscope routed through the 02 bung.
- 3. Lastly, relocate the 02 sensors downstream of the main cats. (Another, more expensive option, is to reflash the ECU to not trip a CEL (Check Engine Light) based on the 02 readings.)
- Garage:
- http://www.shelterlogic.com/
- Low beam headlights
- http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1610
- Other
- Altec "Show and Go" license plate. http://www.altecproducts.com/
- Leather Dye for Interior
- http://www.classicdyeproducts.com/maserati
- Smoked taillights/headlights
- http://www.lamin-x.com/Maserati-Gran-Sport-02-08-Tail-Light-Covers-p/ms203.htm
- Aluminum surrounds to replace vents. Check U.K. ebay seller: http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/redchelt?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
- Forum thread (note: you need to register to see links and photos): http://www.maseratiforum.co.uk/3200%2F4200_air_vent_aluminum_upgrade/m_67175/tm.htm
- Stainless Steel Pedals
- http://www.ultimatepedals.com/
- [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89 ]
- [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7542 ]
- Transmission:
- LeoNardo TCU Upgrade source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19599
- Hill Engineering Throw Out Bearing (6SP or Manual only)
- http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?products_id=261280
- Springs & Swaybars
- See Formula Dynamics
- Instructions for installing FD lowering springs: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzjRNFnCbDy0dlcyUDJoejY2TGc/edit
- Wheels
- Aftermarket Vendors
- Jeff ("FormulaDynamics") -- supplier of popular DBW EM, exhaust, oversized brakes, and other modifications.
- FabSpeed -- http://www.fabspeed.com/maserati.html
- Car Shipping Services
- Intercity - http://www.intercitylines.com/snowbird_spec.cfm
- Enclosed Vehicle Transport
- Passport Transport (Fedex car shipping directs to this company)
- 1.866.582.3185.
- see: http://fedex.com/us/services/customcritical/autotrans/index.html
- Horseless Carriage
- Industry Reviews
- AA Torque Show Reviews of Gran Sport
- AA Torque Show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLOVH0oRB-0
- AA Torque Show: GranSport on Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfFcQtkKSMg&feature=related
- Car and Driver loves it (comes in 3rd in a shootout, but the spread is only 2 points among the three models)
- http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/04q2/2004_bmw_645ci_vs._maserati_coupe_cambiocorsa_m-b_clk55_amg-comparison_tests/
- Edmunds reviews the 2006 GranSport
- http://www.edmunds.com/maserati/gransport/2006/review.html
- MotorTrend drives a 04 CC Spyder Vintage and likes it, with some qualms about CC transmission
- http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0406_2004_maserati_spyder_vintage/index.html
- MotorTrend compares the 04 CC Spyder to a 05 Chevrolet Corvette Roadster, and rules them fairly comparable performance wise.
- http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0506_sport_convertibles_comparison/index.html
- Road & Track reviews 2002 CC Coupé. Overall very positive. Some reservations regarding car's weight, and shifting of CC in casual driving.
- http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/car/2002-maserati-coupe-cambiocorsa
- Another review: http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/drives/maserati-coupe
- Road & Track reviews the 02 convertible in a comparison test. http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/comparison/wind-sun-and-stars/wind-2c_sun_and_stars_-e2-80-94_2003_maserati_spyder_gt_page_3
- TopGear reviews a CC (likely an 02) and dislikes its styling, handling, and paddle shifters, but likes the Ferrari engine. Later reviews a GranSport (an '04 or '05), and notes the improved styling and handling, with Clarkson still disliking the F1 transmission based on a prior impression of difficulty with parking with paddle shifters.
- Jeremy Clarkson not into handling, nor "flappy paddle" transmission. (Though this is titled 3200, it's a 4200 coupe. Unclear what year model it is, but probably a 02 or 03) http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/the-stig-maserati
- Guessing he reviewed the first model year '02, which had a slower shifting CC transmission.
- Richard Hammond tested the GranSport (an '04?), and commended its improved handling over the 02 coupé: http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/maserati-gran-sport ... Even so, Clarkson still doesn't like "flappy paddle" gearbox, in general.
- [Clarkson's chief complaint seemed based on prior experiences of having difficulty parking cars with paddle shifters in general. But this issue was at least partly addressed by the edition of a drive/reverse lever (added by 2004), and perhaps also mitigated by smoother throttle reponse offered by third party DBW improvements (e.g. Formula Dynamics's DBWEM).
- Motor-Prime reviews a 2002 Coupe and Spyder. Overall: positive. http://www.motor-prime.com/content/maserati-4200-gt
- Evo reviews a 2003 Coupe & Spyder and notes much improvement all around over the 2002 Spyder. http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/35794/maserati_4200.html
- Recurring Forum Debates
- Performance Differences between Coupé (GT/CC) vs GranSport: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6254
- Camp 1: GranSport perfomance is better
- forum user MaseratiBlu:
- 'Forget the Coupe, its old and all the driving problems have been corrected in the GS/MCV.
As mentioned above, the GS and MCV are very similar and the differences are mostly cosmetic. I do know that a recent upgrade via SD3 will bring some additional features to the GS/MCV (faster changes in the Cambiocorsa).
I guess it would depend on the cars you find available, how "used" they are, the price difference and if you like the colors etc.'
- forum user 'M'!:
- 'out of the box, i think most of us should be able to tell the GS performs better in many ways. the transmission software is improved and is quicker. not sure if you can flash that into the coupe.
as for the Schumacher comment, i don't think you have seen the maserati promo video on the GS from a few years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l27-6L__Ans
you are correct on one point, yes the coupe rocks, certainly more than the GS. [sarcasm that the GS's suspension is softer --ed]
the video shows the coupe for comparison, and no Schumacher is needed.
they already used him for the Spyder promo, so the GS does not need him.
the fact is, the GS is an evolution of the coupe. watch this Top Gear video again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTN89LxRBbM
the coupe is good. the GS is better. the MCV is best.'
- forum user 'Swiss-Maserati':
- Summary: The GS performs better than even a modified 4200, but not that much better.
- http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349
- Camp 2: Coupe can be upgraded to outperform a stock GranSport
- forum user "Formula Dynamics" (Jeff at Formula Dynamics)
- The GS suspension is no different than the coupe except that it was lowered a bit. Same springs, same shocks, same part #'s (if you had the skyhook). The engines are the same, the tuning is the same, the GS does have the X-Pipe and 19" wheels. Also, the TCU is a bit more aggressive than the 4200 with the CambioCorsa Transmission. Everything else is cosmetic.
A few upgrades on the 4200 and it will outperform the GS. With that said, upgrading a GS is even sweeter!
- source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/coupe-spyder-gs/9069-coupe-grandsport.html
- forum user 'DialM' on luxury4play.com:
- 'Forget the GranSport and get a Coupe. Add Formula Dynamics ECU, DBW, springs, and a Larini exhaust and you will have a better car. You can add the surfboards and bumpers if the GS look is what you are after, but the Coupe is by far a better deal. The 6MT vs. CC transmission has been debated to death on maseratilife.com but with a little extra care and a good independent mechanic, I would go for the CC.'
- source: http://www.luxury4play.com/maserati/43497-i-need-your-thoughts-maserati-gransport-8.html:
- Camp 3: "Minimal differences" and "To each their own"
- forum user 'CoupeCambioChicago':
- '1) Clearly the extra 10HP, and the extra torque, of the GS is welcome.
2) The GS was lowered about an 0.4 inches, and given some body treatments which reduced its wind resistance.
Those two features take a hair off the 0-60 and add 3mph to the top end which, Maserati says, goes from 177 to 180. Presumably lower means better in the turns as well, although they didn't change the skid pad value from 0.90 in the published figures.
As regards the Coupe versus the GS F1: The F1 transmission itself was tweaked every year, but if you buy a Coupe of the same vintage as the GS, then I believe you get the same transmission. Whether the tweaks of newer models can be achieved in older models by software modification is not clear to me. Certainly some of the improvements are accomplished in this way.
If you buy a Coupe with Skyhook, I also believe it is the same Skyhook as the GS.
The modifications to the GS may be preferred for performance, but the buyer should consider the environment. In Chicago, the lower suspension is a double edged sword. One should contemplate whether the original Coupe was tuned towards more towards touring objectives, whereas the GS moved a little more towards the track.
Clearly 19" wheels in Chicago present challenges as well.'
- forum user 'islandmaser':
- 'Ok 10 Hp difference is just an X-pipe which is a simple install. But the extra weight the GS carries eats up any advantage it may have had with suspension and 10HP. I would say driver would be the difference they are that close. Looks are totaly subjective and each has there own fans..'
- forum user 'Briik':
- 'The GranSport is fabulous! It is much more luxurious, modern, and more solidly planted on the road than the Coupe. The power delivery is also much more consistant with a GS than with a Coupe (transmission tweaks help out the 2006 model the most IMO). The GS is also much more modern in terms of design, inside and out.
The Coupe is more "raw" but no less elegant than the GS. It feels a little "barebone" when compared to the GS, especially when equipped with aftermarket exhaust (get Tubies). The coupe is a real road warrior, its loud and angry. The HP difference (10) is really not noticable unless your really racing, and is easily acheivable with exhaust etc. It also has more quirks and a more complex driving experience.
And the MCV seats are great.'
- Clutch lifetime in manual (in GT) vs F1 tranny (in CC, GranSport)
- Debate centers around whether the GT is easier on the clutch than the Cambiocorsa transmission.
- Q. What is agreed upon?
- Some people like stick shifts, and others like paddle shifters. This is not at debate.
- The F1 transmission is faster shifting than a manual, especially in the GS, where the shifts are even faster.
- It's also agreed that a clutch's lifetime will vary depending on the driver and use pattern. Fewer shifts and less time spent slipping it will bring about a longer clutch life, regardless if the tranny is a CC or manual. Clutch use is obviously only very loosely related to miles driven. Obviously, someone driving every day uphill in traffic will wear their clutch faster than someone driving on highways at speed.
- Some point out that the correspondence between miles driven and wear on the clutch is a very loose one at best, but "miles driven" is what's repeatedly quoted when debating clutch lifetimes. A better argument would use evidence associating use patterns along with mileage, such as: "heavy footed city driving with lots of burnouts in first gear, failed after 10k miles. also my racing instructor says I ride the clutch."
- While it seems that those on the forum largely agree that the lifetime of the clutch seems relatively short, and it's expensive to repair, what is "expensive" and what is a "short" are matters of personal opinion. (Some investigated the possibility of a Kevlar clutch, to inconclusive results.)
- Some F1 transmissions have a separate problem with the F1 Pump failing.
- Q. What are the arguments put forth on either side?
- Some argue that the F1 transmission puts less burden on the clutch, since it shifts far faster than a manual, it's robotic and thus doesn't slip or "ride" the clutch unnecessarily. They argue that the relative complexity of the F1 transmission is a separate issue from clutchwear, and the F1 transmission is reliable anyway.
- Others argue the manual is easier on the clutch, perhaps because the F1 may be slipping longer upon initial acceleration in first gear, or at other times, unbeknownst to the driver. [This may be mitigated in F1s by the use of Formula Dynamic's DBWEM, and/or by avoiding city traffic, or stop and go traffic. Yet: I may not be paraphrasing this argument correctly --ed.]
- Two folks with manuals testify to long clutch life in manuals: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9155&highlight=phoenix
- "The F-1 is actually a really fun transmission but not the easiest for clutch repair." - FormulaDynamics [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9155 ]
- Is the GranSport a "completely different car" than the 4200?
- See the "Model Overview" above and decide for yourself whether you'd qualify them as completely different cars.
- Some emphasize that the 4200 can be made to perform comparably to the GranSport with such aftermarket mods as an X-Pipe and FD lowering springs. Others emphasize the set of GranSport features that'd be difficult or impractical to change on a 4200, including the blueprinted engine, longer sixth gear, faster shifting CC transmission, and different interiors (sport seats, different console, use of carbon fiber, and so forth).
- Does driving in "Sport" mode (on F1 transmission cars) extend clutch life?
- The majority on the maseratilife.com forum seems to be in favor of driving in Sport mode, arguing that it both extends clutch life and provides a more enjoyable driving experience to Auto mode anyway. But at least some say that driving in Auto has no negative effects whatsoever on the car.
- The argument in favor of driving in Sport mode (that I've seen) is that shifts occur faster, and therefore wear on the clutch should be less.
- Whether you find this argument convincing is your decision.
- Reference
- Maserati production figures: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=58698&postcount=7
- Maserati 05 Manual: http://www.maserati.com/mediaObject/COM/models/Heritage/LUM/Gran-Turismo/Coupe/MY05/68686000_M138_UM_USA/document/68686000_M138_UM_USA.pdf
- Wheel Dimensions
- III. "Maserati Mechanics & Resellers" Google Map
- http://tinyurl.com/mazmechs
- To add to the Maserati map:
- Visit the URL above.
- Click on "Save to my maps" in the upper left. You'll be direct to login (or create) your Google Account if you haven't already done so.
- From here, type in the name of the shop or an address you want to add.
- Then, click on the "pin" on the map that appears, select "Save to...", and choose the "Maserati Mechanics & Resellers" map.
- To post a review:
- If you haven't logged into a Google Account, you'll be directed to do so.
- Click on a pin, then click on the business's name.
- On the webpage that appears, click "More" in the upper right, and select "Write a Review"
- Write and post your review on the webpage that appears.
- IV. Glossary
- ABS - Antilock Braking System
- ASR - Anti-Slip Regulation (traction control)
- CC - CambioCorsa - Italian for "race change", refers to cars with the F1-style transmission, shifted using paddle shifters on the wheel.
- CEL - Check Engine Light
- DBW - "Drive By Wire" unit
- Electronic throttle system on all 4200s and GranSports.
- Formula Dynamics makes a popular DBW Enhancement Module (which works along the existing DBW) that quickens throttle response for both manual and F1 transmission cars. [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?p=84567] [source for DBW improving throttle response on manuals: http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4360 ]
- EBD - Electronic Brakeforce Distribution
- ECU - Engine Control Unit
- The ECU is the car's computer, which controls the engine management, throttle control, injection system, climate control, variable suspension, A.B.S. system, and other electrical devices.
- Formula Dynamics offers a remapped ECU that offers higher performance.
- MNA - Maserati North America
- MSP - Maserati Stability Program
- The MSP system integrates four different vehicle systems - the anti-slip regulation traction control (ASR), the motor spin regulation (MSR), electronic brake force distribution (EBD), and anti-lock braking system (ABS). [wikipedia article]
- MSP is judged by some to be too aggressive in reigning in the car when accelerating hard or cornering. Some prefer to leave it activated to keep themselves out of trouble -- especially in wet weather. Others who have experience driving the car aggressively in controlled conditions, trust themselves to drive on public roads with MSP deactivated on public roads, while still others only deactivate MSP when on a racetrack.
- MSP can be disabled by pressing and holding the button labeled MSP (with a diagnoal through it) until the indicator light on the button appears.
- MSR - the Motor Spin Regulation
- OBDII Port: On-Board Diagnostics
- An OBD reader can be purchased by a consumer for <$100 and used to read CEL (Check Engine Light) codes
- The OBDII port is located below the steering wheel down to the left on 4200 coupes, and down and to the right on GranSports.
- PIS or KIS
- PIS - Point of Initial Slippage. KIS appears to be a polite euphemism.
- PIS is the kisspoint or engagement of the clutch. The number is the distance between the clutch pressure plate and throw out (release/thrust) bearing at rest. The higher the number the more slippage, lower numbers engage too harshly, the sweet spot (spec.) on a 4200 is 4.8 to 5.2 mm. [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=42145&postcount=41]
- "The Kiss point is a more like a remapping of your current shift grid it just aligns everything up with the TCU(F1 control unit), it should only be performed at the beginning of the life of the clutch life or when having shifting issues, due to it resets clutch to zero wear so you have to get before and after parameters to know actual wear of the clutch. Example I've seen clutches with 30% clutch wear that are completely worn, then you look up history and realize the kiss point was performed at 70% clutch wear. Kiss point can only be performed on Coupe, GS, Spider 05' & up and all F1 QP's." -eddie aka Victory12
- SD1 / SD2 / SD3 - "System Diagnostics" 1/2/3
- A test bench hardware device series often programmed with official Maserati diagnostic software. These are handheld sized multi-functional computers used to diagnose problems by reading sensor data, error codes and reprogram (or "flash") a car's ECU (and/or TCU?). One specific use of this computer (among many others) is reading clutch wear percentage, which is itself only accurate to within 10%, and can give a false reading if the clutch is adjusted in between clutch replacements.
- They are expensive; not all independent Maserati mechanics have them.
- Even so, Jeff of Formula Dynamics says that these diagnostic systems "...aren't the best at detecting and accurately reporting problems. To some degree this is true of all manufacturers but I believe that due to the low volume of cars, the systems just aren't as developed." http://maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10364&page=2]
- For more details and pictures of an SD3 and SD1, see: http://www.grimaldiengineering.co.uk/sd3.asp
- ST-5
- Chinese knockoff of the expensive factory SD-3 diagnostic tool that can be loaded with software to work with Maseratis. Some say can do an okay job of diagnostics, might have a better UI, others say hard to get updates. [ http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6270 ]
- "Stripper"
- A no option GT, usually black on black. Many imported in '06.
- TCU - Transmission Control Unit
- Controls the shifting on cars with an F1 transmission.
- Torque Tube
- Torque tube provides a rigid support between the engine/transmission and differential/transaxle to keep the drivetrain in alignment and resist longitudinal compression due to drive torque. [source: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1098 ]
- Picture: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=86454&postcount=33